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lengthy audit by the irs. and this was at the same time, rachel, when other prominent churches were denying communion to the democratic candidates close to the election in a way to me telegraphed more who they thought ought to be the winners of the vote of their congregation much more than anything was said in this progressive pasadena congregation. it made me wonder whether the irs was selectively enforcing and auditing churches based on the message during the bush administration. i raise this issue along with one of my republican and libertarian colleagues with the irs. i sat down with the commissioner, we wrote to the gao to look at this to figure out were they being even handed? targeting the progressive churches? and basically, rachel, i got nowhere. the irs wasn't willing to divulge any information. what were the results of those audits? even the stuff that wouldn't give away information about particular taxpayers, but they weren't willing to be forthcoming. and it makes me wonder whether this is a more
lengthy audit by the irs. and this was at the same time, rachel, when other prominent churches were denying communion to the democratic candidates close to the election in a way to me telegraphed more who they thought ought to be the winners of the vote of their congregation much more than anything was said in this progressive pasadena congregation. it made me wonder whether the irs was selectively enforcing and auditing churches based on the message during the bush administration. i raise this...
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whether or not that irs letter was properly sent to the naacp, the impression that the irs would in an election year go after the president's critics, that is a powerful impression. that same year, the irs wrote to a liberal church in southern california whose pastor invited a guest to give an anti-war sermon, an anti-iraq war sermon. the irs heard about that and responded by threatening to take away the church's tax exempt status on the basis of the content of the sermon. the church's local congressman, democrat adam schiff ended up meeting with the commissioner of the irs to express his concerns about that when that happened back after the '04 election. so the inspector general's report on what's going on with the irs and whether or not they were targeting groups on the right without targeting groups on the left, whether that was a mistake that was found and fixed and over. whether it's been an ongoing problem or wider problem, a policy decision made by somebody higher up who ought to be fired or whether god forbid it could have been a political decision made for strategic reasons. w
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the irs. as you know, irs employees have for the past 18 months targeted conservative groups with the words tea party or patriots in their names. as a result, applications for their tax-exempt status were delayed. a new treasury department report put it this way. quote, the irs inspector general found that irs agents used inappropriate criteria to identify tea party and other groups and the report also cited ineffective management that allowed the criteria to be in place for 18 months, which resulted in substantial delays in applications and unnecessary questions. and today at 1:00 eastern we'll hear more from holder. he is due to testify in front of the house judiciary committee. >>> as for what the president's mouth piece is saying about all of these scandals, press secretary jay carney sang a familiar tune, at least 11 times. >> all i can tell you is i cannot and he cannot comment specifically. i can't comment on the specifics of that. we simply can't comment on the specific investigation.
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the irs scandal. outgoing commissioner steven miller was asked to testify before the house ways and means committee. >> as acting commissioner i want to apologize on behalf of the irs for mistakes we made and poor service we provided. >> do you believe it is illegal for employees of the irs to create lists to targeted individual groups and citizens in this country? >> i don't believe it is. >> you know the terms tea party patriots were being used and you acknowledged they were outrageous. when you were asked about this after you were briefed that was the answer i gave snus how can we conclude you mislead the committee? >> i did not. >> can you assure this committee that none of this information by was shared or given to any other federal agency? >> i would be shocked, congressman, if that happened. >> kimberly: i think they are just getting started. i would say this is the tip of the iceberg. >> eric: yesterday, we ran the soundbite of eric holder. the sound on tape montage, i don't know, i don't know
the irs scandal. outgoing commissioner steven miller was asked to testify before the house ways and means committee. >> as acting commissioner i want to apologize on behalf of the irs for mistakes we made and poor service we provided. >> do you believe it is illegal for employees of the irs to create lists to targeted individual groups and citizens in this country? >> i don't believe it is. >> you know the terms tea party patriots were being used and you acknowledged...
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the irs changed the law. the irs took a hard, clear word like exclusively, a word with legal meaning, and changed it to the soft word primarily that means nothing. left it open to irs agents then to determine if your organization was primarily concerned with the promotion of social welfare. and then in 2010 there's suddenly a flood of organizations applying for tax exempt status, saying they are primarily for the promotion of social welfare, and their titles include the words tea party. what planet do you have to be from to know that tea party organizations are not operated exclusively for promotion of social welfare as the words of the law require, and what planet do you have to be from to know that tea party organizations are not even, quote, primarily to further the common good and general welfare, which is the irs scandalous interpretation of the words exclusively for the promotion of social welfare. tea party organizations are primarily, and many of them exclusively, for the promotion of republican polit
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>> we need to deal with what's happening in the irs, we need to deal with the corruption in the irs. i think it's separate from the issue of the health care gislation. what offends me is the woman who was on top when all of this stuff was going down, why is she not just put on the sidelines? why isn't she in a rubber ro? why is she at the head of something that can create more chaos at this point? >> neil: all right. >> neil, i can speak to -- neil: go ahead, real quick. >> there's two pieces of mail i dread every year, my son's rert card and my health insurance premium. [laughter] d the whole -- neil: my son's report card comes with my health insurance premium. [laughter] >> in my case, you need it as well. but just the whole health care insurance industry is relying on these 30-34 million more people who are going to be in the market. it's not with all the coverages, you know, who's going to pay the benefit of those extra premiums. a lot of business owners are rereally concerned about that, d we're letting the irs be the guys a who are going to have to audit these people. with thei
>> we need to deal with what's happening in the irs, we need to deal with the corruption in the irs. i think it's separate from the issue of the health care gislation. what offends me is the woman who was on top when all of this stuff was going down, why is she not just put on the sidelines? why isn't she in a rubber ro? why is she at the head of something that can create more chaos at this point? >> neil: all right. >> neil, i can speak to -- neil: go ahead, real quick....
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. >> the irs -- we're hearing the acting irs commissioner is not going to plead the fifth on friday when he testifies. of course, the issue that he knew of nothing like what was going on when he spoke a little more than a week ago. what do you make of that and how big the irs thing is? >> the irs thing is huge, neil, because it goes to the foundation of who we are. our framers went to great lengths to protect minority views, great lengths to protect the voice of the minority. and when you are singled out, whether it's for a criminal prosecution or tax status or being audited, you have a different ideology than the party in power. but that is devastating for our republic. so i was happy to hear a lot of our colleagues on the other side of the aisle also speak about the irs and the a.p. issue much more so than benghazi and fast and furious. but if you want bipartisanship, you're going to love the irs investigation and the a.p. investigation because all members are outraged on both counts. >> we're getting word right now the president is meeting behind closed doors at the white house with t
. >> the irs -- we're hearing the acting irs commissioner is not going to plead the fifth on friday when he testifies. of course, the issue that he knew of nothing like what was going on when he spoke a little more than a week ago. what do you make of that and how big the irs thing is? >> the irs thing is huge, neil, because it goes to the foundation of who we are. our framers went to great lengths to protect minority views, great lengths to protect the voice of the minority. and...
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had folks come from the irs to the panel almost two ago. the irs consistently said we're not doing this, this is not happening. and now this new report from dave russell george says in fact it was. so there are frustrated lawmakers who want to figure out how they were told one thinks an inspector general said something else is happening. host: the first hearing today. other hearings next week. what aspects of the story will be other hearings consider? guest: next wednesday the house oversight and government reform committee chaired by darrell , one of the most persistent critics of the obama administration, he will bring in an irs official as well who appears to be involved in this particular program. she's the person who was sent out to apologize last week. she will be a critical figure. on tuesday next week the senate , their committee committee chaired by a democrat, max baucus, he will bring in douglas showman, a former bush administration official and he was in charge of the irs on this targeting program was at its peak. so more key fi
had folks come from the irs to the panel almost two ago. the irs consistently said we're not doing this, this is not happening. and now this new report from dave russell george says in fact it was. so there are frustrated lawmakers who want to figure out how they were told one thinks an inspector general said something else is happening. host: the first hearing today. other hearings next week. what aspects of the story will be other hearings consider? guest: next wednesday the house oversight...
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outside the irs. is that correct? >> that the information we received. >> did you find any motivation and the tax-exempt notification? >> we did not. >> during your review of this matter coming you indicated when you had started, did you find any evidence of political motivation on the part of employees involved in processing the applications of this this year? >> we did not, sir. >> if we could put on the organizational chart, is that possible? is someone going to do that? it is called high-level organizational report. mr. miller, the inappropriate criteria that singled out applications for tax exempt status was developed by what office? >> it would be developed by an office that is actually not on here but is under lois' lerner's jurisdiction. >> where are those employees located? >> for the most part, they are located in cincinnati. >> they found the director of exempt organizations on this chart, which is not on the screen yet, but this is as her position became aware of the inappropriate criteria
outside the irs. is that correct? >> that the information we received. >> did you find any motivation and the tax-exempt notification? >> we did not. >> during your review of this matter coming you indicated when you had started, did you find any evidence of political motivation on the part of employees involved in processing the applications of this this year? >> we did not, sir. >> if we could put on the organizational chart, is that possible? is someone...
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the irs scandal. when we come back, charles krauthammer will be here to explain why he thinks that could be the fatal moment of the obama presidency. and more on the explosive hearing. bob beckel and monica crowley are alec, for this mission i upgraded your smart phone. ♪ right. but the most important feature of all is... the capital one purchase eraser. i can redeem the double miles i earned with my venture card to erase recent travel purchases. d with a few clicks, this mission never happened. uh, what's this button do? [ electricity zaps ] ♪ you requested backup? yes. yes i did. what's in your wallet? yes i did. all stations come over to mithis is for real this time. step seven point two one two. rify and lock. command is locked. five seconds. three, two, one. standing by for capture. the most innovative software on the planet... dragon is captured. is connecting today's leading companies to places beyond it. siemens. answers. ♪ there you go. come on, let's play! [ male announcer ] there's an
the irs scandal. when we come back, charles krauthammer will be here to explain why he thinks that could be the fatal moment of the obama presidency. and more on the explosive hearing. bob beckel and monica crowley are alec, for this mission i upgraded your smart phone. ♪ right. but the most important feature of all is... the capital one purchase eraser. i can redeem the double miles i earned with my venture card to erase recent travel purchases. d with a few clicks, this mission never...
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the irs have released a statement tonight in response to the inspector general's report saying the irs is required by law to determine if organizations are engaging in a legally permissible level of political activity. centralizing these cases was necessary to achieve consistent treatment after seeing issues with particular cases, inappropriate short cuts were used to determine which cases may be engaging in political activities. dana, very quickly on this point, i heard jeffrey toobin part of the irs' job is to actually root out political groups from nonpolitical groups to determine who is going to get these benefits. now, where and how is that line drawn and how far over it from this report do we think they crossed? >> reporter: that's absolutely right. it is their job. these groups, any group, should not get tax-exempt status if their primary reason for being is political, not for social welfare. they crossed the line by not having criteria that aren't specifically political and more specifically than that, targeting conservative groups. and that's what they did and that's what the
the irs have released a statement tonight in response to the inspector general's report saying the irs is required by law to determine if organizations are engaging in a legally permissible level of political activity. centralizing these cases was necessary to achieve consistent treatment after seeing issues with particular cases, inappropriate short cuts were used to determine which cases may be engaging in political activities. dana, very quickly on this point, i heard jeffrey toobin part of...
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it is telling the irs in the response to the i.g. said they gotten pressures from members of congress to look into tea party groups. that will be explored by the senate finance committee and house ways and means committee. >> jamie: the white house has asked staffers at meetings, don't spend any more than 10% of your time on addressing this. what kind of strategy is that? >> i think the white house really fumbled their initial response to the irs scandal. so the end of the this week they picked up the game a bit. they are going to have to be relentless. this has to be on the president's desk on a daily basis for the in ex several weeks because congress is going to be looking into this for quite some time. >> jamie: look at all these hearings going on. forget about the costs to the taxpayers, there are other issues on the plate for the president. he is saying i want to focus on jobs, immigration. middle-class will be focus. is he saying that this scandal or even benghazi doesn't impact those americans, as well? >> i think the strategy
it is telling the irs in the response to the i.g. said they gotten pressures from members of congress to look into tea party groups. that will be explored by the senate finance committee and house ways and means committee. >> jamie: the white house has asked staffers at meetings, don't spend any more than 10% of your time on addressing this. what kind of strategy is that? >> i think the white house really fumbled their initial response to the irs scandal. so the end of the this week...
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then the irs. now the associated mess. the justice department being blasted after using a secret subpoena to obtain months of phone records from the associated press without the a.p.'s knowledge. >> obviously, we're distressed that the justice department felt the need to seize our records and not tell us about it. >> so the very head of the a.p. firing off a letter to attorney general eric holder, saying there's no possible justification for what the a.p. is calling a serious interference. >> accident waiting to become a nuclear event. >> so the new specter of big brother looming at the irs is being condemned by the left and by the right. a house committee planning a friday hearing to dig deeper into the tax agency's tea party probe. and in the senate mitch mcconnell said this in just the last hour. >> this morning i'm calling on the president to make available completely and without restriction everyone, everyone who can answer the questions we have as to what's been going on at the irs. who knew about it, and how high it
then the irs. now the associated mess. the justice department being blasted after using a secret subpoena to obtain months of phone records from the associated press without the a.p.'s knowledge. >> obviously, we're distressed that the justice department felt the need to seize our records and not tell us about it. >> so the very head of the a.p. firing off a letter to attorney general eric holder, saying there's no possible justification for what the a.p. is calling a serious...
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the head of the irs reappointing someone else to lead the irs. so i think they are playing catch-up. you saw dan pfeiffer, of course, do the full monty on those sunday shows. so i think they finally got a bit of a handle on this, playing offense much more smartly than they have. i think we don't know what's going to happen with this, because there are going to be further investigations. i think the good news for this white house so far is that this sort of trifecta of scandals hasn't so far affected the president's approval rating. it seems to be something like 53% and uptick, i think, in the cnn poll from what it was a couple weeks ago. >> goldie, talk about the numbers. the president's popularity. it actually appears to be gaining this month, in spite of the scandals. the cnn poll, the president's overall approval rating at about 53%, actually two points higher than in april. why aren't these scandals so far, at least, negatively affecting the president? >> you know, it really doesn't happen often, i happen to disagree with this particular topi
the head of the irs reappointing someone else to lead the irs. so i think they are playing catch-up. you saw dan pfeiffer, of course, do the full monty on those sunday shows. so i think they finally got a bit of a handle on this, playing offense much more smartly than they have. i think we don't know what's going to happen with this, because there are going to be further investigations. i think the good news for this white house so far is that this sort of trifecta of scandals hasn't so far...
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of the irs -- the irs is part of the enforcement. i think the problem is majority of the states are not setting up state exchanges in almost half the states there's question about participating in the expansion of medicaid. those are the pillars to expand coverage to all americans, the fundamental obama promise of i think advocates are worried that it sets obama up to fail. >> a lot of the business owners around the country are looking what it means for them. what the costs are going to be. a lot of people making the decision whether they're going to drop health insurance for their employees and just pay the fine because it's cheaper. so, there's going to be a lot of unintended consequences, don't you think? >> do another repeal vote. part of the problem is, how does this get managed and the obama administration and the states set up their exchanges? >> time is wasting here. they need to have this done by september, by the fall. >> yes. they are not even sure how it's all going to roll out. it's never been done before. >> i want to q
of the irs -- the irs is part of the enforcement. i think the problem is majority of the states are not setting up state exchanges in almost half the states there's question about participating in the expansion of medicaid. those are the pillars to expand coverage to all americans, the fundamental obama promise of i think advocates are worried that it sets obama up to fail. >> a lot of the business owners around the country are looking what it means for them. what the costs are going to...
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my loser has got to be the irs. you couldn't get any worse for them and then they have this brutal hearing on capitol hill today. they can't catch a break. >> bret: quickly steve? >> overcomplicating this. the winners is any republican thinking for running for irs 2014 and 2016. the loser clearly if ever there was a week he was a loser that is barack obama. >> bret: that is it for the panel. literal efforts to find clues about the 2016 presidential race. [ male announcer ] running out of steam? ♪ now you can give yourself a kick in the rear! v8 v-fusion plus energy. natural energy from green tea plus fruits and veggies. need a little kick? ooh! could've had a v8. in the juice aisle. this tree has deep roots, strong limbs... things are pched and not pinned. nicely done. thboys love it. they are up there day and night. well that might be because y overlooked one thing... what? it looks into your neighbor's window. ohhh boy. hel-lo, mrs. kozlowski. boys? i'm gonna get the hose. [ dennis ] home insurance with do-it-yo
my loser has got to be the irs. you couldn't get any worse for them and then they have this brutal hearing on capitol hill today. they can't catch a break. >> bret: quickly steve? >> overcomplicating this. the winners is any republican thinking for running for irs 2014 and 2016. the loser clearly if ever there was a week he was a loser that is barack obama. >> bret: that is it for the panel. literal efforts to find clues about the 2016 presidential race. [ male announcer ]...
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cincinnati office of the irs. if there is, we should find out about it and fix it and if somebody did something wrong, they should be fired or brought to justice. amid the whole thing, we're fwound to the cincinnati office of the irs and they're mad about it and so let's find out what happened and get the initial report. >> again, republicans do smell blood in the water. we had chuck todd on the daily rundown talking to marco rubio in the 9 ook a.m. hour. take a listen. >> there's no honest policy disagreement with this administration. and as a result, it's created this culture of intimidation that's pervasive throughout the white house and the federal government and i think all of this is a product of that. i really do. >> culture of intimidation. intimidation coming there from the irs towards certain tea parties, looking for tax exempt status. is that a proper perception to put out there? >> well, again, i said we should investigate the cincinnati office of the irs. in terms of i think we have a pretty good idea
cincinnati office of the irs. if there is, we should find out about it and fix it and if somebody did something wrong, they should be fired or brought to justice. amid the whole thing, we're fwound to the cincinnati office of the irs and they're mad about it and so let's find out what happened and get the initial report. >> again, republicans do smell blood in the water. we had chuck todd on the daily rundown talking to marco rubio in the 9 ook a.m. hour. take a listen. >> there's...
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of activity by the irs. i think you see something different. he made clear if t personnel prove to be true, he would find them treajsz and he would expect appropriate action be taken and people be held responsible. he has no tolerance for targeting of specific groups, conservative groups if the reporting is true on this. he would expect action to be taken. this is a matter when it comes to the irs it is under review by the independent inspector general. we have not seen that report. it is our understanding that its release is fairly imminent and once we have it we will assess the next steps. so at this point we have to wait for action by an independent inspector before we can jump to conclusions to what happened, whether there was a deliberate targeting of groups inappropriately, and if that is case what action should be taken. you can be sure, i would point you to president's response yesterday, what his feelings are about this kind of action if, in fact, took place. on the issue of what is a department of
of activity by the irs. i think you see something different. he made clear if t personnel prove to be true, he would find them treajsz and he would expect appropriate action be taken and people be held responsible. he has no tolerance for targeting of specific groups, conservative groups if the reporting is true on this. he would expect action to be taken. this is a matter when it comes to the irs it is under review by the independent inspector general. we have not seen that report. it is our...
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the irs did. and it isn't pretty. our chief congressional correspondent dana bash is working the story for us. dana, i know you're going through the inspector general's report. it is very, very damning. >> it is. pages and pages of damning information, and analysis of what the irs did. the gist of it is that the inspector general says that inappropriate criteria to identify tea party and other groups were used. ineffective management at the irs, allowing this criteria to be in place for 18 months. and it resulted in substantial delays of applications, and allowed unnecessary requests to be issued. and this report, if you can believe it, it just part of the irs's troubles. never mind that the irs targeting tea party groups was inappropriate. the attorney general wants to know if it was criminal. >> i have ordered an investigation to be begun. the fbi is coordinating with the justice department to see if any laws were broken in connection with those matters related to the irs. i think as everyone ca
the irs did. and it isn't pretty. our chief congressional correspondent dana bash is working the story for us. dana, i know you're going through the inspector general's report. it is very, very damning. >> it is. pages and pages of damning information, and analysis of what the irs did. the gist of it is that the inspector general says that inappropriate criteria to identify tea party and other groups were used. ineffective management at the irs, allowing this criteria to be in place for...
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the president fires the head of the irs. caution. you are about to enter the no spin zone, the factor begins right now. >> hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. the obama administration going south fast. can it save itself that is the subject of this east coast's talking points memo. headline right now the irs scandal could be worse than benghazi as the president fires irs chief stephan miller. at this point mr. obama had to do that. >> i will do everything in my power to make sure nothing like this happens again. by holding the responsible parties accountable, by putting in place new checks and safeguards and going forward by making sure that the laws applied as it should be in a fair and impartial way. the irs admitting it targeted conservatives. listen to this. just hours earlier, than what the president just said, jay carney was saying that the white house can't really explain how the irs corruption happened because fbi is investigating. i cannot obviously comment on the investigation that the attorney general an
the president fires the head of the irs. caution. you are about to enter the no spin zone, the factor begins right now. >> hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. the obama administration going south fast. can it save itself that is the subject of this east coast's talking points memo. headline right now the irs scandal could be worse than benghazi as the president fires irs chief stephan miller. at this point mr. obama had to do that. >> i will do everything in my...
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everybody understands the power of the irs. when you get a letter from the irs. you know it's not happy news. you didn't win the lottery. it's bad news. and you know that they have the power and everybody feels that. for the irs to so overtly abuse its power now they want us to believe that a bunch of bureaucrats in cincinnati got together and decided they would target the right? that's not a plausible story we now know it came into washington. obama was asked this morning at the press conference did you not know about any of this before you heard about it on friday? did anybody in the white house not know about this? so he is asked about anybody. >> bill: let's run the sound bite. >> wife did he say i.g. report? >> bill: let's run the sound bite. i want you to answer your own question. >> i will speculate. >> bill: here we go. >> you can assure the american people that nobody in the white house knew about the agency's actions before your counsel's office found out on april 22nd? >> i can can assure you that i certainly did not know anything about the ig report b
everybody understands the power of the irs. when you get a letter from the irs. you know it's not happy news. you didn't win the lottery. it's bad news. and you know that they have the power and everybody feels that. for the irs to so overtly abuse its power now they want us to believe that a bunch of bureaucrats in cincinnati got together and decided they would target the right? that's not a plausible story we now know it came into washington. obama was asked this morning at the press...
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the president jetsons the acting irs commissioner, but the concern is who made the call at the irs to go after those conservative groups? more republicans are saying they want someone to serve time over this. connell: wal-mart sales down, unemployment lines growing faster than expected, and the debate on where the economy is really headed. >> rising cost of natural disasters like the deadly tornadoes in texas. those stories and, oh, so much more coming up on "markets now."
the president jetsons the acting irs commissioner, but the concern is who made the call at the irs to go after those conservative groups? more republicans are saying they want someone to serve time over this. connell: wal-mart sales down, unemployment lines growing faster than expected, and the debate on where the economy is really headed. >> rising cost of natural disasters like the deadly tornadoes in texas. those stories and, oh, so much more coming up on "markets now."
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the irs coming back to the irs, the head of the union at the irs gives 99% of her campaign money to democrats. she openly criticizes the republican house for trying to reduce government spending and has specifically targeted tea party groups in her public comments. it's no wonder that the agents in the irs sort of get the message the president demonizes his opponent, the head of their union -- >> senator, that's a leap can you make as argument but you don't have fact to back it up. you can create -- i asked dan pfeiffer about it. can you talk about a culture. do you have any evidence that the president of the united states directed what you call a culture of intimidation at the irs to target political opponents? >> i don't think we know what the facts are. >> that hasn't stopped you from accusing. >> we're talking about an attitude the government knows best, the nanny state is here to tell us what to do and if you start criticizing, you get targeted. >> let me stop you for a minute. >> david, let me finish. david, let me finish. the investigation has just begun. i'm not going to reach a concl
the irs coming back to the irs, the head of the union at the irs gives 99% of her campaign money to democrats. she openly criticizes the republican house for trying to reduce government spending and has specifically targeted tea party groups in her public comments. it's no wonder that the agents in the irs sort of get the message the president demonizes his opponent, the head of their union -- >> senator, that's a leap can you make as argument but you don't have fact to back it up. you...
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backing obama on the irs. nobody has a good word to say with this whole story. the stories that come out, brent, the lies that will be surfaced again and the investigations are going to kill obama. >> well, the investigation -- larry, the key word is investigations. go book to the clinton years and the alphabet soup of scandals involved with clinton. now, think of the investigation that went into those scandals. it was virtually nonexistence. they would report what they had to report that someone else might investigate. but the zeal of going after watergate with woodward and bernstein, that hasn't been there in these scandals. fistart seeing that. if i see the media, themself, investigating the irs scandal. fisee the media, themselves, why isn't anyone in the press found anybody in the continues lat in benghazi to interview? do you realize, we haven't interviewed anyone there. they start investigating it, then i'll take it seriously. >> i can actually cite the wall street and "wall street journal" and the new
backing obama on the irs. nobody has a good word to say with this whole story. the stories that come out, brent, the lies that will be surfaced again and the investigations are going to kill obama. >> well, the investigation -- larry, the key word is investigations. go book to the clinton years and the alphabet soup of scandals involved with clinton. now, think of the investigation that went into those scandals. it was virtually nonexistence. they would report what they had to report that...
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by the irs for the last three years. the press ignored them. given that if it was low-level aids, just people in cincinnati doing this and they didn't really have any political acumen, then it wouldn't have been hard for a reporter to pick up the phone and find out or for white house communication to find out if there was a problem. >> we already know washington d.c. knew about it. >> i know. >> let me ask you a question. i would think that all of these things really bother you in terms of the irs intimidating people because of their political point of view. >> i agree. >> benghazi, four dead americans and we did nothing before when requests were help were out there -- >> i don't agree with you on that. >> they were toll to stand down. >> i don't agree. >> and a web of lies was built afterwards. now the a.p. story. my question to you is what do you recommend the president do to get out of his scandal mix that he's now in? >> i could be dana perino here. i could say i believe in transparency. i think an adversarial press
by the irs for the last three years. the press ignored them. given that if it was low-level aids, just people in cincinnati doing this and they didn't really have any political acumen, then it wouldn't have been hard for a reporter to pick up the phone and find out or for white house communication to find out if there was a problem. >> we already know washington d.c. knew about it. >> i know. >> let me ask you a question. i would think that all of these things really bother...
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. >> this 1 the perfect storm for the irs. that's what they try to do, get younot to reply so you stop the application, or they get you to disclose everything they want and they have the information on people, but their option is really to get you not to respond at all. that's what they hope. we know clien who came and didn't want to miss with the irs. here was the perect storm, the grassroots activists know each other, and they figured out they all got the same questions, and so togher with groups like us who don't charge them, they fought back. gerri: you're truly an expert on the irs, and i wnted to outline for people little bit here, hog the irs is and how intimidating it can be. the 2012 budget for the ir, 11.8 billion, bier than the epa, the fbi, the da. i mean, you name it. this is a big organization. with near 90 # ,000 employees. these peple can come after you. >> right. gerri: talk to me a little about the power of this agency, who is minding the minder? i mean, at the end of the day, it seems like they almost get aw
. >> this 1 the perfect storm for the irs. that's what they try to do, get younot to reply so you stop the application, or they get you to disclose everything they want and they have the information on people, but their option is really to get you not to respond at all. that's what they hope. we know clien who came and didn't want to miss with the irs. here was the perect storm, the grassroots activists know each other, and they figured out they all got the same questions, and so togher...
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the people at the irs who are like storm troopers. the irs is the most feared agency in the world next to maybe the kgb. and these are the people tasked with enforcing making sure that everyone has health insurance? it is a disaster. this woman got $103,000 in bow nesss. taxpayer funded money. was basically promoted and oversaw the targeting of conservative and religious groups and she is getting a promotion. you are telling me that no one know hass is going on here. >> mike: steven miller salt there with a straight face and said the reason this happened is they were just trying to be so efficient. >> hilarious. let's not forget, steven miller was fired. he is is gone. now, i underand it obama did not -- obama did not take him out to the middle of times square and flog him like people a fair point when you apply for tax exempt status does that make you immediately above the law? can we not ask a question as to whether or not your application is, correct? i think that is what they were trying to do. did they do it correctly? no. were t
the people at the irs who are like storm troopers. the irs is the most feared agency in the world next to maybe the kgb. and these are the people tasked with enforcing making sure that everyone has health insurance? it is a disaster. this woman got $103,000 in bow nesss. taxpayer funded money. was basically promoted and oversaw the targeting of conservative and religious groups and she is getting a promotion. you are telling me that no one know hass is going on here. >> mike: steven...
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make sure we're just as outraged w when the irs goes after the naacp. >> did the irs in 2004 say we're going after them -- >> yep, the letter that was sent to the -- >> it was just as wrong then. >> julian bond's statements about george w. bush in his opposition to the war, that was in the irs letter that went to the naacp. >> okay. thank you, joy. i think everybody understands what you said. jenny, as well. people at home are going to make a judgment about this. two wrongs don't make a wrong. thank you very much, jenny beth. joy, as always. i agree with you, mostly. up next -- of course you're right. especially about the naacp. >>> up next, turns out there are a few things republicans and democrats actually agree on. coming up on the sideshow. and this is "hardball." the place for politics. leadership. these are skills we see in great actors and great teachers, which america will need more of because in the next decade, over a million teachers will retire. you have what it takes to be a teacher. the more you know. some brokerage firms are. but way too many aren't. why? because selling
make sure we're just as outraged w when the irs goes after the naacp. >> did the irs in 2004 say we're going after them -- >> yep, the letter that was sent to the -- >> it was just as wrong then. >> julian bond's statements about george w. bush in his opposition to the war, that was in the irs letter that went to the naacp. >> okay. thank you, joy. i think everybody understands what you said. jenny, as well. people at home are going to make a judgment about this....
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. >> you're with the irs. thank you. >> but i'm a lawyer, not an account. sorry. ♪ ♪ so you can make easy, no-fee reloads with cash and checks... and know you're not on your own. so you can get the reloadable card that keeps up with you. chase liquid. so you can. >> that would be a quarter of the 300. so we're talking 75 or so? >> um, that's correct. is that a quart center that's right. >> thank you i'm not good at math. >> you're with the irs. thank you. >> but i'm a lawyer, i'm not an account, sorry. >> neil: low is learner at the irs may not be good at math bus is good at bringing home the bacon. she scored tens of thousands of dollars in bonuses over the past couple of years, on top of the salary that was a minimum of 170 ground. she is not alone. nearly $100 million went toward agency bonuses since 2009. mark is the executive editor of the washington examiner and has these figures. mark, this would be during the period of all of this. what was going on? >> what was going on is indicative of what is go
. >> you're with the irs. thank you. >> but i'm a lawyer, not an account. sorry. ♪ ♪ so you can make easy, no-fee reloads with cash and checks... and know you're not on your own. so you can get the reloadable card that keeps up with you. chase liquid. so you can. >> that would be a quarter of the 300. so we're talking 75 or so? >> um, that's correct. is that a quart center that's right. >> thank you i'm not good at math. >> you're with the irs. thank you....
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who appointed the head of the irs? >> doug shulman. >> doug shulman. >> the irs commissioner is appointed by the president of the united states. >> who appointed mr. shulman? >> mr. shulman was appointed in the previous administration. >> thank you. >> my point to you, martin, which if you'll listen to nigh point here. >> absolutely. >> this is somehow obama's above it all, this isn't the obama administration, the irs is independent. that is absolutely false. if president obama had the ability to fire the acting irs commissioner, that means that's a person in the obama administration. this is an obama scandal. this is an obama scandal. >> one sec. we're getting a bit confused about chronology. let's continue. nancy pelosi spoke to the republicans' incredible expanding scandal and its purposes. i'd like you to listen to this. >> they will use these as evasions of what the american people want us to do here. they want us to create jobs. now, if you're a pearty in congress and you have no intention of creating jobs, you w
who appointed the head of the irs? >> doug shulman. >> doug shulman. >> the irs commissioner is appointed by the president of the united states. >> who appointed mr. shulman? >> mr. shulman was appointed in the previous administration. >> thank you. >> my point to you, martin, which if you'll listen to nigh point here. >> absolutely. >> this is somehow obama's above it all, this isn't the obama administration, the irs is independent. that is...
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the irs acted within the law. the irs did not go outside of the law to target these groups. host: your response? uest: congress has the ability o make and ship the lot. one of the points raised in the report was some of the ambiguity that is at play when they're trying to figure out if the organization might be political or set up too much for the private benefit. you saw republicans and democrats both going after the ira's and both parties seem concerned about this. host: does there seem to be any movement towards legislation that would more define these arious status? guest: we have heard a lot of talk in recent years in the tax reform community and campaign finance reform community that there are big issues out there that they think deserve levels f advancement. we are waiting to see what will come from this particular situation. host: next up is daniel on airline for republicans in north carolina. o ahe caller: i was watching the hearings last night. i am a young guy who doesn't ith politics and i am very disheartened to see interests were not given last night. host: giv
the irs acted within the law. the irs did not go outside of the law to target these groups. host: your response? uest: congress has the ability o make and ship the lot. one of the points raised in the report was some of the ambiguity that is at play when they're trying to figure out if the organization might be political or set up too much for the private benefit. you saw republicans and democrats both going after the ira's and both parties seem concerned about this. host: does there seem to be...
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the president fires the head of the irs. caution. you are about to enter the no spin zone, the factor begins right now. >> hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. the obama administration going south fast. can it save itself that is the subject of this east coast's talking points memo. headline right now the irs scandal could be worse than benghazi as the president fires irs chief stephan miller. at this point mr. obama had to do that. >> i will do everything in my power to make sure nothing like this happens again. by holding the responsible parties accountable, by putting in place new checks and safeguards and going forward by making sure that the laws applied as it should be in a fair and impartial way. the irs admitting it targeted conservatives. listen to this. just hours earlier, than what the president just said, jay carney was saying that the white house can't really explain how the irs corruption happened because fbi is investigating. i cannot obviously comment on the investigation that the attorney general an
the president fires the head of the irs. caution. you are about to enter the no spin zone, the factor begins right now. >> hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. the obama administration going south fast. can it save itself that is the subject of this east coast's talking points memo. headline right now the irs scandal could be worse than benghazi as the president fires irs chief stephan miller. at this point mr. obama had to do that. >> i will do everything in my...
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to somebody outside of the irs? >> can i ask -- are you asking whether -- >> i'm asking if you're aware of anybody else in the irs that ever from january of 2010 to present communicated or spoke anybody in the white house about the sharing of taxpayer informatio information. >> i don't believe so. just so i'm clear on what i'm answering are you talking about if i believe we shared information? >> whether you believe any taxpayer information was shared? all that information being shared with somebody outside of the irs in violation of section 6103. >> i have no knowledge of that. >> you have no knowledge. >> that's a question i understand. >> you did indicate that you did speak yourself can pressure pri department officials. i'm not saying the white house. i'm saying the treasury department. you did speak to somebody in treasury about that. is that correct? >> i don't think so. >> i'll ask more clearly and directly. did you speak or communicate with anybody in treasury department who was not in the irs about the shar
to somebody outside of the irs? >> can i ask -- are you asking whether -- >> i'm asking if you're aware of anybody else in the irs that ever from january of 2010 to present communicated or spoke anybody in the white house about the sharing of taxpayer informatio information. >> i don't believe so. just so i'm clear on what i'm answering are you talking about if i believe we shared information? >> whether you believe any taxpayer information was shared? all that...
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irs and same with association when you look at the questions on the irs case. question, the political question, i personally don't even think this is political. i think this is a matter of fundamental fairness for the american people and whether or not they are going to care. when benghazi comes up, they drag their feet, they delay, they miss inform. then when finally information comes out then they say it's a long time ago. i would expect all of these scandals probably the same strategy would be used, no? >> this is a matter of big government tyranny, is what it is. and the left embrace it is and they have this mentality. it's perfectly fine when somebodywelse's ox is being gored, but when it's yours then wait a minute, you are not allowed to do this. the government is getting bigger and bigger and power is nor centralized, and obama, whenever something happens he has excuses, well, it's low level, well, they are playing politics. folks, it's real world. the irs is out of control, the department of hhs with obamacare is out of control. the agriculture departme
irs and same with association when you look at the questions on the irs case. question, the political question, i personally don't even think this is political. i think this is a matter of fundamental fairness for the american people and whether or not they are going to care. when benghazi comes up, they drag their feet, they delay, they miss inform. then when finally information comes out then they say it's a long time ago. i would expect all of these scandals probably the same strategy would...
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while the head of the irs objects to word target. one men who apparently did have a bulls eye on his back is speaking out. frank van der sloot an idaho businessman donated $1 million to help mitt romney. after that he was audited on three different occasions, rubbing up nearly $100,000 in legal bills. joining us now from salt lake city is mr. van der sloot. so we had you on a little more than a year ago after you donated to the romney campaign the obama campaign web site began to hammer you and put your name out there and all of this business. let's start there. then what happened? >> well, that morning, april 20th, 2012, that's when my life changed. i got a phone call from my son and he said, dad, you have got to look at this. i went on there. the campaign's web site and sure enough there it was. 8 of us singled out out of thousands of donors suggest -- saying two things about us. one thing they said was that 8 of us had less than reputable records and had been on the wrong side of the law which certainly wasn't true for me and i do
while the head of the irs objects to word target. one men who apparently did have a bulls eye on his back is speaking out. frank van der sloot an idaho businessman donated $1 million to help mitt romney. after that he was audited on three different occasions, rubbing up nearly $100,000 in legal bills. joining us now from salt lake city is mr. van der sloot. so we had you on a little more than a year ago after you donated to the romney campaign the obama campaign web site began to hammer you and...
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house specifically learned about the misconduct at the irs. carney that it was april 22nd when the white house council's office first learn about the irs situation. that the president didn't specifically learn about it, nor did jay carney, until this past friday. here's what the president specifically said as we wait for the inspector general's report to come out of treasury department about the irs situation. >> this is something that i think people are properly concerned about. i can tell you that if you've got the irs operating in anything less than a neutral and nonpartisan way, then that is outrageous. it is contrary to our traditions. and people have to be held accountable and it has to be fixed. >> reporter: the president referred to the irs situation as a wait and see situation. i guess you can compare that to him saying the conclusions have been made on benghazi. clearly pushing back on house speaker john bain here said this is the primary issue that he has focused on. now at this point. americans died, the president reiterated. he sa
house specifically learned about the misconduct at the irs. carney that it was april 22nd when the white house council's office first learn about the irs situation. that the president didn't specifically learn about it, nor did jay carney, until this past friday. here's what the president specifically said as we wait for the inspector general's report to come out of treasury department about the irs situation. >> this is something that i think people are properly concerned about. i can...
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organization of the irs, but being responsible to the country. that's the question. >> first of all we haven't gotten the final report yet. the report that i've read, the "ap" report, lerner ordered the review process be -- >> what about the people who did it? >> that's a decent question. asking whether barack obama was using the irs to go after his political -- which i'm starting to see on the right -- >> i'm not going to go after the straw dog. i'm concerned about this government. the president is head of this government. if there are screw-ups, if it's down in albuquerque at the lowest level of a government, if somebody there is speaking for uncle sam, he's got to deal with it. >> of course. doug shulman, the head of the irs at the time, i think the idea he was engaged in some kind of conspiracy to go after tea party groups on a political basis when he, himself, is a republican and a george bush appointee, who had already told the president he was resigning from one of only two appointed political positions in the irs, that he was resigning in
organization of the irs, but being responsible to the country. that's the question. >> first of all we haven't gotten the final report yet. the report that i've read, the "ap" report, lerner ordered the review process be -- >> what about the people who did it? >> that's a decent question. asking whether barack obama was using the irs to go after his political -- which i'm starting to see on the right -- >> i'm not going to go after the straw dog. i'm concerned...
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investigating the irs. nor orrin hatch -- senator orrin hatch says the power of the irs should not be taken lightly. >> at no point in time did anyone in the irs think it was important to set the record straight. no single agency in government has the power the irs has. they can destroy people. this is an agency that can create more fear in the hearts of people than any other agency. martha: hatch and 10 other republicans wrote to the irs last year demanding answers why the irs requested donor information from certain groups. senator hatch says it was just a broad explanation of a law allowing that request. bill: senator mcconnell asking for full transparency and asking for information from the white house. >> i'm asking them to make available everyone without restriction, who can answer what's been going on at irs, who knew about it, and how high it went. bill: senator mcconnell called for an end to the administration's stonewalling. martha: president obama respond to the report in a statement. earlier he
investigating the irs. nor orrin hatch -- senator orrin hatch says the power of the irs should not be taken lightly. >> at no point in time did anyone in the irs think it was important to set the record straight. no single agency in government has the power the irs has. they can destroy people. this is an agency that can create more fear in the hearts of people than any other agency. martha: hatch and 10 other republicans wrote to the irs last year demanding answers why the irs requested...
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that's the word from the irs itself the head of the irs is a political appointee. he serves at the pleasure of the president. another apologized
that's the word from the irs itself the head of the irs is a political appointee. he serves at the pleasure of the president. another apologized
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you start with the irs agents at the cincinnati office. the guys you first tried to put all the blame on. then you put them in the grand jury and you ask them under oath which supervisors directed them to withhold tax exempt status and investigate any one who might criticize your administration. you feds know how to do that. you do it all the time. and by the way, the system doesn't need to be fixed, your administration needs to be fixed. so if you want the truth, tell your director of the irs exempt division the learned lois lerner the one who says she is not good at math not to lie to congress, which she did when she said that her screening process was unbiased. when in truth, two years ago, she knew her agents were flagging all cases of any one who might criticize your administration. but, of course, mr. president, you will get to the bottom of this. >> he think we will be able to -- i think we will be able to figure out exactly what happened, who was involved, what went wrong and we are going to be able to implement steps to fix it. an
you start with the irs agents at the cincinnati office. the guys you first tried to put all the blame on. then you put them in the grand jury and you ask them under oath which supervisors directed them to withhold tax exempt status and investigate any one who might criticize your administration. you feds know how to do that. you do it all the time. and by the way, the system doesn't need to be fixed, your administration needs to be fixed. so if you want the truth, tell your director of the irs...
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the fbi investigate the irs? i mean, this whole thing is absurd. of course the president will push back on special council which is exactly what takes place here. the reality, the lying of the irs, the hypocrisy to set up questions followed by these absurd performances today should make everybody, right, left, center, stand up and notice, we got a serious problem. we have a government agency, probably one of the most powerful agency in the country that affects the lives of every day americans. they are completely without a rudder and causing harm for the american people. >> jay, you tell me, i'm not the lawyer. if neil woman, who is an obama apointee, a big job. the deputy secretary of the treasury, if he was told about the audit, not the conclusions, but he knew about the audit in june of 2012 before the election, can he be subpoenaed by a special council to say what he did next? who he talked to? did he go across the street to the white house? >> absolute. >> i and talk to the white house general council, did h
the fbi investigate the irs? i mean, this whole thing is absurd. of course the president will push back on special council which is exactly what takes place here. the reality, the lying of the irs, the hypocrisy to set up questions followed by these absurd performances today should make everybody, right, left, center, stand up and notice, we got a serious problem. we have a government agency, probably one of the most powerful agency in the country that affects the lives of every day americans....
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the affordable care act is big part of the irs. that is about 700 people directly working on it and whole bunch of people brought in. >> paul: they are going to connect data from different parts of the government, big new database? >> right with the hhs they are building something they are building something called the federal data hub. >> paul: that is what we need. [ laughter ] >> if you have the right healthy care and cross that with homeland security and huge information technology. >> paul: just so i understand. if i under pay my taxes, i say you owe us "x" amount of dollars. now if i apply for federal health insurance and i make a little more than what i'm supposed to, irs will be able to say, you don't qualify, so you pay a fine, sorry, you have to pay "x" dollars? >> right. what they will be looking at do you have the right kind of health care. if you don't, you pay a penalty. they will be calculated ago subsidy and everybody in the health care industry, will be reporting information into the data hub that will cross-check
the affordable care act is big part of the irs. that is about 700 people directly working on it and whole bunch of people brought in. >> paul: they are going to connect data from different parts of the government, big new database? >> right with the hhs they are building something they are building something called the federal data hub. >> paul: that is what we need. [ laughter ] >> if you have the right healthy care and cross that with homeland security and huge...
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through the irs. through the fbi. during a great society, there was a viewing throughout the government. a essential of who this person was from the top down. and enforced by tough chiefs of staff like a jim baker. and made sure you got the job done. if the omb director got in the way, he was put in the wood shed. people were forced to obey. i don't think i see that. i do hear a lot about sycophants who can get the president's ear. i'm just reading john aldridge's book. it is all about them being undercut. this president will not authorize someone else to chop off head. >> you were saying is this guy still a united states senator? i would go back further on his cv and talk about him as a lawyer. one of the big issues i've been hearing, he is too deferential to the lawyers. he was very deferential to bob bauer, his first counsel. and his current counsel, a very good lawyer by all accounts, has counseled caution, caution, caution in response to all these things. is that why he cannot get rid of gitmo? i think that's a p
through the irs. through the fbi. during a great society, there was a viewing throughout the government. a essential of who this person was from the top down. and enforced by tough chiefs of staff like a jim baker. and made sure you got the job done. if the omb director got in the way, he was put in the wood shed. people were forced to obey. i don't think i see that. i do hear a lot about sycophants who can get the president's ear. i'm just reading john aldridge's book. it is all about them...
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the irs denied it. then when -- after these officials are briefed by the i.g. this is going on, they don't disclose it. in fact, the commissioner sent a letter to congress in september on this subject and did not reveal this. imagine if we -- if you can what would have happened if this fact came out in september 2012 in the middle of a presidential election. the terrain would have looked very different. >> i think very different. you know what we don't understand, lisa, reading all these articles, why is it the president fired somebody who really was on the periphery at best of this scandal, if that's what you call it when it broke, and the person who was in charge has been promoted to the most important political position in the irs, which is -- because we had newt gingrich earlier this week saying if you can't trust the irs to do basic things, how can we trust them to take care of your health care? well, even newt gingrich and the other republicans that were talking this line early in the week, had no
the irs denied it. then when -- after these officials are briefed by the i.g. this is going on, they don't disclose it. in fact, the commissioner sent a letter to congress in september on this subject and did not reveal this. imagine if we -- if you can what would have happened if this fact came out in september 2012 in the middle of a presidential election. the terrain would have looked very different. >> i think very different. you know what we don't understand, lisa, reading all these...